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A little history on the 30.06 signs

2/16/2014

 
With the reduction in CHL class hours last September, there are several topics in my Texas CHL lesson plan that had to be eliminated - or at least substantially abbreviated. This little "history lesson" is one of them. It may be, at the very least, "Nice to Know" info as certain issues get cussed and discussed among ourselves and in the media between now and when the Texas Legislature is in session again this time next year.

Those who became CHL holders when the law went into effect on January 1, 1996 were taught certain things about Texas Penal Code Section 30.05 in regard to "Criminal Trespass". One of those things was a warning to be watchful for any type of "No weapons" or "Gunsbuster" type of signage that might be posted in some private businesses. And that the penalties for getting caught carrying a handgun - knowingly or unknowingly - beyond one of these signs could be extremely serious. 

And signs there were! Throughout 1996 and well into 1997, due primarily to the media attention of the new CHL law going into effect and irrational fears by many people, there was an epidemic of various types of "No Handguns" signage placed at the entrances of various types of private businesses, especially in major metropolitan areas. Otherwise law-abiding, "sqeaky clean" CHL holders who happened to miss seeing one of these signs were at great risk of a "Criminal Trespass with a Firearm" charge: as in Class A Misdemeanor, including "Go directly to jail, get a lawyer, pay the fees and fines, very possibly have to go back to jail and be ineligible for another CHL for at least 7 years". 

As a result of some of this (and some very diligent work by NRA Board Member Charles Cotton), the 1997 Texas Legislature added Penal Code Section 30.06, specifically to protect CHL holders. The applicable (signage) portion states:

"Written communication" means: (A) a card or other document on which is written language identical to the following: "Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code (trespass by holder of license to carry a concealed handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (concealed handgun law), may not enter this property with a concealed handgun"; or (B) a sign posted on the property that: (i) includes the language described by Paragraph (A) in both English and Spanish; (ii) appears in contrasting colors with block letters at least one inch in height; and (iii) is displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public.

On the same date this change went into effect, Section 46.035 was also amended to read

(i) Subsections (b)(4), (b)(5), (b)(6), and (c) do not apply if the actor was not given effective notice under Section 30.06.

Twenty months after the CHL law went into effect, these two changes (effective Sept. 1, 1997) were huge in that 
(1) CHL holders had a very well defined sign to watch out for and an excellent defense to prosecution if ever wrongfully charged by having gone past a non-compliant sign and
 (2) four of the original "prohibited locations" (including churches and amusement parks) were removed from the "no go" list (unless they give specified oral or written notice). 

Below, as used in our classroom for training purposes, is an example of a "compliant" 30.06 sign.
Valid Texas 30.06 Sign
By late 1997, many business owners or managers who had previously posted "No Handguns" signage realized the stupidity - that is was already against the law to carry without a license in a public place AND that a sign on the front door was certainly not going to deter anyone intent on aggravated robbery or murder.  Many were also politely informed that such signage was making some of the most law abiding people in the state go spend their money somewhere else.

Most business owners or managers did not even know about the change in the law in regard to 30.06 signage. Of those who did, relatively few chose to spend the money to post the "big ugly signs". Besides, with "out of sight, out of mind" and the excellent reputation of Texas CHL holders, most businesses did not know or care if customers were packing,

However, in their infinite wisdom, some local anti-gun bureaucrats seized upon their knowledge of the new 30.06 signage and began to have signs placed at the entrance to locations such as the city library "to protect the children". Some school districts went so far as to post 30.06 signs at the entrances to their parking lots. The City of Dallas placed 30.06 signage at the entrances to the State Fair - which did not meet the definition of an amusement park as defined in 46.035. With such postings being in clear violation of Texas' "preemption law", the 2003 Texas Legislature amended 30.06 with the following:

(e) It is an exception to the application of this section that the property on which the license holder carries a handgun is owned or leased by a governmental entity and is not a premises or other place on which the license holder is prohibited from carrying the handgun under Section 46.03 or 46.035.

This amendment provided a "defense to prosecution" for license holders if local bureaucrats tried to wrongfully prosecute by basically saying, by State laws, the local bureaucrats did not have the authority to put up the 30.06 signs to begin with. As a result of this amendment - and hundreds of complaints from CHL holders - the 30.06 signs at Dallas' Fair Park came down. Beginning in October of 2003 CHL holders could comfortably carry into the State Fair (except to games in the Cotton Bowl).

However, all too many illegitimate 30.06 signs remained in place (and still do) in some taxpayer-funded locations, creating no small amount of confusion for (and sometimes disarming of) license holders. This resulted in House Bill 508 being introduced in the 2013 Texas Legislature. It included some severe penalties for any local bureaucrat that authorized ongoing placement of illegitimate 30.06.signage. It had great support this past session, yet died in the final hours due to Senator Dan Patrick's attempt to tack on an elitist amendment. There is a very good chance that a similar bill will be introduced again in 2015.

Speaking of the 2015 legislative session, we will likely be seeing at least one bill introduced again related to "Open Carry", which is quite controversial - and possibly the topic of another post one of these days. 

In conclusion for now as it relates to the 30.06 signage: Currently, in the locations where many of us go on a daily basis, there are just not all that many 30.06 signs. What many of us fear is that if any "Open Carry" legislation happens to get passed and is not very carefully worded in regard to signage (as in NOT tied to the current 30.06 verbiage), it could result in just enough "Man with a Gun" calls to 911 to create an epidemic of wasted police resources, business owners and managers not wanting any more "panic attacks" in their buildings or parking lots and a rash of new 30.06 signs going up at thousands of locations where there are none present today.
Paul
2/17/2014 09:58:13 am

But the 'card' portion of the .30.06 law... now can the sign that is posted be considered a 'card'?

Has this been settled by the courts or by the Texas Attorney General's office?

Lonnie Ward
2/18/2014 12:01:06 am

Paul - A careful read of the complete Section 30.06 does make a distinction between a sign and other forms of "written communication", For example, the specified verbiage could be placed in a church service handout or on something as small as a business card. But "if a sign", it must meet the bigger specs.

Paul
2/18/2014 02:48:28 am

But if a store had fliers out with just the 'written communication' then would that be a way to trip up CHL holders?

Thanks.

Lonnie
2/18/2014 07:01:41 am

Paul - Perhaps, but I believe the burden would be upon the store to prove the CHL holder had indeed received "effective notice". But, if the presence of a handgun remains truly concealed, the store people should have no reason to know anyway ...

John
2/18/2014 12:08:12 pm

Legalizing open carry resulting in an "epidemic of wasted police resources"?!? and "'panic attacks' in their building and parking lots" and "thousands of locations" posting new 30.06 signs?!? Wow. Sounds like something one would hear from the liberal media.

None of that has happened in any other state (currently about 44 or 45) where open carry is legal..... so why would it happen in Texas? Are you really that afraid of the sight of guns down there?

Lonnie Ward
2/18/2014 09:09:16 pm

John - There is a thread going that I am pretty sure you familiar with at www.thehighroad.org. You might want to pay particular attention to Dog Tom tom's post #23. Another thread that someone else started is going too on a more Texas specific forum. I will save you the trouble of looking it up with a well-informed summarizing quote from another Texan: "OC is not legal in Texas because the people pushing the hardest for it are a bunch of idiots who don't know how to behave properly in public. They believe in an in your face approach that has proven in the past to be counter productive to their stated goals.Get these people to crawl back under their rocks and OC just might have a chance."

John
2/18/2014 09:29:52 pm

Lonnie,

You might want to pay particular attention to Frosty Dave's post #17:
"As a long-time Okie, I thought it was interesting how closely Texas carry history paralleled ours.

And now having a form of open carry, I can say that we didn't have a flood of "man with a gun" 911 calls. It was very much in the news when the law passed and again when the law went into effect, so the soccer moms were not suddenly surprised.

Likewise, local LEOs got some new training on how to deal with most likely legal open carry incidents so those were non-events as well.

All in all, life was the same as it was before. On one OK forum members still report in that they finally saw someone actually openly carrying. The record is 2. I've only seen one "no guns" sign go up since the law passed and a half dozen come down."

Your doomsday theories have not been reality in any other state, but you are apparently so afraid of the sight of a gun in public in Texas that Texas will have "panic attack" in buildings an "epidemic of wasted police resources" and "thousands of locations" posting new 30.06 signs?

And you seem to support the idea that I am an ignorant troll and an idiot who doesn't know how to behave properly in public? WOW.

Richard
2/21/2014 06:27:35 am

Texas will get open carry when it happens, many people support it here but still have to overcome the damage that was caused a few years ago by the radical open carry crowd. I will even support the cause if the clowns, many from out of State, who refuse to consider the damage they would cause by tying it to our 30.06 signs will get reasonable and come up with an effective way to decipher the two as it relates to private property rights.
I still enjoy people posting that "44 or 45" states where open carry is legal when that is far from the truth, as an example try open carrying in Massachusetts and retain a lawyer before you do cause your going straight to jail even though they do not have a law that specifically outlaws it, many other states are in the exact same situation yet the OC crowd still spews the nonsense that people can open carry in "44 or 45" States...........Let the people of Texas do what is right for us and the rest of the outsiders should spend their time on something important to their States rather than causing animosity here and doing additional damage to our OC wishes we do not need or want your outside help...........

John
2/21/2014 08:48:35 am

It is "more legal" to open carry in 44-45 states than it is in Texas. Is that accurate enough for you?

Richard
2/21/2014 01:32:07 pm

wow, I am amazed "more legal" care to explain exactly what that means? Personally I would not care what the exact charge was if I got arrested for open carry. The fact is that I would be arrested and booked needing a lawyer and to post bail to regain my freedom. At some point you will have to admit to your self that because some States do not have actual laws that specifically disallow OC does not mean it is legal, if you feel that it is why not go become a test case and prove your point? Why has Open Carry. org not done this as well they have been poking their nose into Texas for about 4 years now spewing the same garbage as you are....... From my perspective myself and many others would like outsiders to stay out of our State politics as all that has happened is that our chances have been severely diminished from the crap that has been thrown around... stay in your own State and be "more legal' there...... we do not want or need your help if that is what you mistakenly think you are doing...........

Lonnie Ward
2/18/2014 10:14:01 pm

John - Yes, I saw that and am happy for him and people in his area (altho in contrast to what my son has told me about Norman and OKC). However, the demographics of Oklahoma are considerably different than what we have in Texas. There was not a single county that Obama carried in Oklahoma. Sadly, Texas was far from that. The reality in Texas is that major issues are controlled by politicians representing people primarily in Houston, DFW, San Antonio and Austin - locations where, yes, many of us believe that if certain people (including the liberal media) became more educated about 30.06 signs, many, many more would go up - and not come down.

Chris
2/18/2014 10:27:36 pm

You can’t swing a dead cat in Seattle or Bellevue without hitting an Obama voting libtard, and even they aren’t calling the cops much. When they do, no police resources are wasted because the dispatcher doesn’t dispatch to a man with a gun call when the gun is holstered and the person is just going about their business.

There will always be extremists in any pursuit, creating policy or law based on the actions of a very few is an anti-gun tactic. It almost sounds like you’re saying that Texans are mentally deficient in some way?

Lonnie
2/19/2014 09:58:57 am

No Chris, I don't believe I said that. But we do have our fair share, including some die-hard OC proponents who really alienated some "pro gun" State Legislators with vulgar, threatening posts on the representatives' Facebook pages. To the point the pages were shut down. And some other politically-tactical OC bright bulbs who seemed to think it was cool to use their own Facebook pages to promote an "Open Carry" demonstration with rifles in Dealy Plaza on the 50th anniversary of the JFK assassination.

Chris
2/19/2014 11:28:42 am

But what does that have to do with your assertion in the last paragraph? Extremists are by no means unique to Texas. We have them here and it's a significantly more liberal environment than what you have in Texas. So why do you think open carry will have that effect in Texas if it didn't happen here, or anywhere else?

Lonnie Ward
2/19/2014 08:08:41 pm

Chris - That last paragraph has to do with the fact that RECKLESS WRITINGS and BEHAVIORS by OC extremists can jeopardize what others have worked long and hard to achieve. And, yes, it HAS happened here. Most recently (that I am aware of): http://www.12newsnow.com/story/24414621/parkdale-enforces-policy-after-man-carries-assault-rifle-inside-mall

Chris
3/19/2014 04:55:59 am

You use the term OC extremist as though there didn’t exist any such thing as CC extremist, which is certainly untrue. I’ve heard CC extremists claim to ignore lawfully placed signs, after all, “concealed is concealed”…right?

There will be extremists on both sides in any cause. I believe the CC extremists will do far more damage to firearms rights in the long run because once OC is legal, they fade into the woodwork. In other words, if OC were to become legal in Texas, you’d see much less of those sorts of behaviors. Conversely, the CC extremists will continue to flout the lawful requirements of their chosen carry method.

Richard
2/21/2014 01:34:10 pm

wow, I am amazed "more legal" care to explain exactly what that means? Personally I would not care what the exact charge was if I got arrested for open carry. The fact is that I would be arrested and booked needing a lawyer and to post bail to regain my freedom. At some point you will have to admit to your self that because some States do not have actual laws that specifically disallow OC does not mean it is legal, if you feel that it is why not go become a test case and prove your point? Why has Open Carry. org not done this as well they have been poking their nose into Texas for about 4 years now spewing the same garbage as you are....... From my perspective myself and many others would like outsiders to stay out of our State politics as all that has happened is that our chances have been severely diminished from the crap that has been thrown around... stay in your own State and be "more legal' there...... we do not want or need your help if that is what you mistakenly think you are doing........... I am done with this on a persons business website as I do not want to degrade the great message he has written about for us Texans....

John
2/21/2014 02:03:41 pm

Richard,

Well, you have certainly proved me wrong, I will fully admit that. Our point was that in none of the 44+ states where open carry has been legalized by statute has there been panic in buildings and parking lots, thousands of businesses posting no guns sign, or an epidemic of wasted police resources.

However, after reading yours and others' responses, it has become abundantly clear that Texas is truly a unique cesspool and I certainly hope that you keep your attitudes south of your northern border and out of our states.

Good day, sir.

Richard
2/21/2014 10:30:24 pm

John,

You continue to say that 44+ States OC is legalized by statute which is not truthful yet you have convinced yourself that it is ignorance is bliss it seems.
We have stayed out of your State and all the others as well, we ask the same respect since you have no idea what went into our CHL and signage requirements that are required to stop people from carrying firearms. We are very happy with our 30.06 signs and the fact that we can carry into places that serve alcohol as long as they are not a real "bar" so Fridays, chili's etc are not off limits for us. All we have asked is that OC is not tied to what we have now as far as the 30.06 is concerned as there is a very strong possibility that more 30.06 signs will go up. It seems your in the Nancy Pelosi crowd so we should just pass it and see what is in it and how it will affect the gun rights we already have because out of staters say we should, thanks but no thanks.....

"Cesspool"? now you are truly showing your lack of class, maturity and being filled with ignorance regarding existing Texas gun laws, you are the exact caliber of person who we do not want getting involved in our affairs as you can do nothing but spout off your trash which only hurts our efforts to expand our firearms laws..... so please do stay north of our borders and enjoy what you perceive as your firearms utopia........ I am now done with you cause some people just don't have a clue...


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